Legislature(1993 - 1994)

03/29/1994 06:40 PM Senate FIN

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  SENATE BILL NO. 363                                                          
                                                                               
       An  Act  making  appropriations   for  capital  project                 
       matching  grant  funds and  for  capital  projects; and                 
       providing for an effective date.                                        
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce  directed  that review  of  capital  budget                 
  projects be continued from an earlier meeting.   She further                 
  directed attention  to a  spread  sheet from  the Office  of                 
  Management  and Budget  showing capital requests  by funding                 
  source.                                                                      
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS                                  
                                                                               
  ROGER PATCH,  Director of Installations,  Dept. of  Military                 
  and Veterans Affairs,  came before committee.   He explained                 
  that the first request relates to receipt and expenditure of                 
  $2  million  in  federal funds  for  upcoming  major project                 
  designs.   Projects have  yet to  be identified  due to  the                 
  change in mission  of the Alaska National  Guard and funding                 
  restrictions  at  the  National   Guard  Bureau.    However,                 
  projects will  include aviation support  facilities, federal                 
  scout  armories,  and  maintenance shops.    Senator  Rieger                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  inquired  concerning  backup  information   indicating  that                 
  reimbursement  will  be required  for  the state's  share of                 
  design  costs  at  the  time  of  construction.   Mr.  Patch                 
  explained that  if the  projects are  for aviation  support,                 
  federal scout  armories, etc.,  they will  be 100%  federal.                 
  Should  moneys be  used for  a state  armory, the  situation                 
  would be different.   There are no state  armories scheduled                 
  for design.   Senator Rieger sought assurance  that approval                 
  of  the proposed request would not result in state liability                 
  for reimbursement.   Mr. Patch voiced confidence  that there                 
  would be no liability.                                                       
                                                                               
  The second request  addresses the  $5 million army  national                 
  guard backlog in deferred maintenance.   The instant request                 
  for $665.0 is 12.8% of the total.  The backlog is the result                 
  of shortfalls in the operating budget.  Funding at this time                 
  is  critical in  that  it may  mean  the difference  between                 
  repairing or replacing roofs, etc.                                           
                                                                               
  The third request, $100.0, is in conjunction with the second                 
  in  that  it   seeks  funding  for  scheduled   renewal  and                 
  replacement  of  building  components.    In response  to  a                 
  question from Senator Kerttula, Mr. Patch  acknowledged that                 
  much  of  the work  contemplated  by  the second  and  third                 
  requests would be done  by reserve units as well  as regular                 
  guard members.                                                               
                                                                               
  Responding to a question from  Co-chair Frank concerning the                 
  $5  million maintenance  backlog, Mr.  Patch  explained that                 
  deferred maintenance  for  all state  agencies results  from                 
  shortfalls  in  the  operating  budget.    Those  shortfalls                 
  evidence  both lack  of  inclusion of  adequate  maintenance                 
  dollars  in  the  administration's  budget  and  legislative                 
  failure  to  fund  requests.    The  Co-chair  asked  for  a                 
  breakdown  of the backlog, including a  list of projects and                 
  moneys that were cut from past operating budgets.  Mr. Patch                 
  agreed  to provide the information.   He noted that deferred                 
  maintenance needs are growing  at the rate of 15% to 20% per                 
  year.                                                                        
                                                                               
  ALASKA COURT SYSTEM                                                          
                                                                               
  KIT DUKE, Facilities Manager, Alaska Court System, next came                 
  before  committee.    She explained  that  the  court system                 
  capital  budget  consists  of  a  $4.8 million  request  for                 
  funding needed to  compete the court facility  in Anchorage.                 
  She then provided background information on past funding for                 
  the  project.  Part  of the  current request  represents the                 
  difference between the total $40 million                                     
  cost of  the project and  FY 93 funding  of $19.7 and  FY 94                 
  funding of  $19.0.   The balance  will compensate  for extra                 
  well drilling costs for the cooling system and cost overruns                 
  experienced  when  site  excavation   encountered  hazardous                 
  materials.                                                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                     
                                                                               
  MARGARET  LOWE, Commissioner,  Dept.  of Health  and  Social                 
  Services,  and   JANET   CLARKE,   Director,   Division   of                 
  Administrative   Services,  Dept.   of  Health   and  Social                 
  Services, came before committee.   Ms. Clarke explained that                 
  the first of the department's four projects seeks $888.9 for                 
  department-wide renovation and repair.  Approximately $800.0                 
  is  general funds.   Renovation  and repair  will  assist in                 
  management  of 25  state-owned  facilities and  provide  for                 
  safety  and  security  upgrades,  work  at  health  clinics,                 
  drinking water at the Bethel facility, etc.  Senator  Rieger                 
  voiced need  for details on  specific projects.   Ms. Clarke                 
  said  that projects  have  not yet  been  prioritized.   She                 
  advised that she could provide a verbal listing at this time                 
  and  follow up  with  more specific  information at  a later                 
  date.  She then cited need for the following work:                           
                                                                               
       1.   Juneau Health Center - Roof problem due to ice                     
                 buildup.                                                      
       2.   Johnson  Youth  Center  -  Security  concerns  and                 
  problems                                                                     
                 with the exterior of the building                             
       3.   Sitka  Health  Center  -  Furnace replacement  and                 
  refoofing.                                                                   
       4.   Kodiak - Problems at the Griffin Building.                         
       5.   McLaughlin Youth Center - Ventilation                              
       6.   Assets Building, Anchorage - Roof completion.                      
       7.   Dillingham Health Center - Furnace, roof repairs,                  
                 painting.                                                     
       8.   Bethel Youth Faciity - Exterior leakage.                           
       9.   Fairbanks Youth Facility - Renovation of space for                 
                 a closed treatment unit.                                      
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp referenced  lack of funding for  equipment for                 
  the Fairbanks  Regional Health  Center.   He noted that  the                 
  center is utilized to a  great extent by individuals located                 
  outside the  borough.   He then  advised that  he would  not                 
  provide discretionary moneys.                                                
                                                                               
  The second project  seeks $4,017.3 million for  two projects                 
  relating to computer system development.  The first involves                 
  the eligibility  information  system.   The  department  has                 
  found a one-time,  federal source of  funds to use to  match                 
  other federal funds.  For FY 95, upgrades in the eligibility                 
  system will  be totally  federally funded.   Moneys  will be                 
  used to prolong  the life  of the system  and increase  user                 
  productivity.  Of  this $2.4  million project, $1.4  million                 
  will be  devoted to  productivity improvement  since no  new                 
  staff  will  be  provided.    Federally  mandated  reporting                 
  requirements for the  JOBS program will require  $800.0, and                 
  enhanced data  retrieval and report  capability will  entail                 
  $200.0.                                                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  In response to  questions from  Co-chair Pearce, Ms.  Clarke                 
  advised of  17  computer projects,  only  two of  which  are                 
  included within the Governor's capital  budget.  She further                 
  noted that  the original request of $2.8 for the eligibility                 
  information system was  amended to $2.4.   The entire amount                 
  reflects federal funds.                                                      
                                                                               
  The second project within the  $4,017.3 request for computer                 
  system development  relates to  the division  of family  and                 
  youth services.                                                              
                                                                               
  Ms.  Clarke  next spoke  to  the $200.0  request  for public                 
  health laboratory planning and  design.  She noted that  the                 
  department has three labs located  in Juneau, Anchorage, and                 
  Fairbanks.  Studies of privatization and  consolidation have                 
  been ongoing over the  years.  The most recent  will provide                 
  comprehensive financial information.  The department intends                 
  to  return to  the legislature  next year  with  a financing                 
  proposal  that  could save  lease  costs  and help  build  a                 
  consolidated public health lab.   Consolidation would reduce                 
  staff needs associated with  the existing three  facilities.                 
  The $200.0 will complete the final portion of review.                        
                                                                               
  Discussion followed  regarding possible  contracting of  lab                 
  services to private  laboratories.  Ms. Clarke  told members                 
  that that review would  be part of the  ongoing study.   She                 
  acknowledged  that  some work  could  be contracted,  but it                 
  makes sense for the state to  continue to conduct tests that                 
  are unprofitable for  private labs or present  risks private                 
  labs do not wish  to assume.  (Testing for  tuberculosis was                 
  cited as an example.)                                                        
                                                                               
  Senator Kerttula voiced need for state monitoring of private                 
  contractors for both adequacy and accuracy.                                  
                                                                               
  [Senator Kelly arrived at the meeting at this time.]                         
                                                                               
  Ms. Clarke explained that the final request has been part of                 
  the  budget  for the  past five  years.   It  seeks $1,032.5                 
  million for  API "stop-gap  repair."   API has  a number  of                 
  problems.   It  was recently  visited by  the fire  marshal,                 
  OSHA,   and   individuals  conducting   an   Americans  With                 
  Disabilities Act  survey.   Surveys  indicated "high  dollar                 
  implications."  Ms.  Clarke referenced information submitted                 
  to the Office  of Management and Budget which lists projects                 
  to  be  funded  in  priority  order.   The  twenty-four-hour                 
  facility  receives  over  1,100 admissions  per  year.   She                 
  stressed  need  to  ensure  the  safety  of  both  staff and                 
  patients.  Stop-gap repairs have a five-year life.                           
                                                                               
  Discussion followed  between Ms. Clarke and  Co-chair Pearce                 
  regarding  differences between  the  department request  for                 
  capital funding and that actually  provided by the Governor.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Ms. Clarke agreed  to provide  a listing of  projects to  be                 
  completed in FY 95.                                                          
                                                                               
  Further  discussion  ensued  regarding  inspection of  state                 
  facilities by  local building  officials and  fire marshals.                 
  Ms. Clarke acknowledged  that various state  facilities have                 
  been under citation by local fire marshals.   As long as the                 
  state continues  to show  marked progress toward  satisfying                 
  deficiencies, no facilities have been closed.  NEWTON CHASE,                 
  Chief of Facilities,  Dept. of  Health and Social  Services,                 
  explained that, as a therapeutic environment, the greenhouse                 
  at  API  falls  under  a  particular  section  of  the  code                 
  requiring a certain  level of fire  safety.  The  greenhouse                 
  does not comply.   It is too combustible.   An agreement has                 
  been  reached with  the  local fire  marshal  that does  not                 
  require removal of the greenhouse.                                           
                                                                               
  Co-chair Pearce directed that committee attention revert  to                 
  consideration  of the  remaining  portion  of the  requested                 
  computer system development.  Ms.  Clarke noted that the EIS                 
  enhancement request was revised so  that it could be  funded                 
  entirely from federal moneys.                                                
                                                                               
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  Senator Rieger asked  if the project included purchase  of a                 
  mainframe.  Ms.  Clarke responded  negatively.  JAN  HANSEN,                 
  Director, Division of Public Assistance, Dept. of Health and                 
  Social Services, explained that the capital  budget contains                 
  no  hardware  purchases.   Funding  relates  to  programming                 
  enhancements to the  EIS system  to improve productivity  or                 
  payment accuracy.                                                            
                                                                               
  The next computer project relates to the division  of family                 
  and  youth services.   The  U.S.  Health and  Human Services                 
  Department mandates quarterly data reporting for foster care                 
  and subsidized adoptions.   New  legislation provided a  75%                 
  federal match  for  state systems.   Of  the requested  $1.6                 
  million,  $400.0  would  be general  fund  match.   Co-chair                 
  Pearce noted that the original request was for $3.8 million.                 
  She  then  asked for  a breakdown  of  how the  $1.6 million                 
  provided by the Governor would be spent.                                     
                                                                               
  Senator  Kelly  inquired  concerning the  number  of  social                 
  workers statewide.  Ms. Clarke advised  of 400.  In response                 
  to a further question from the Senator concerning the number                 
  of  personal computer purchases associated with the proposed                 
  enhancement, STEVE RICE,  Data Processing Manager, Dept.  of                 
  Health  and  Social  Services, came  before  committee.   He                 
  advised of need for an  additional 125 personal computers to                 
  both replace  old units and ensure that  those who need a pc                 
  have access to  one.  Ms.  Clarke clarified that, given  the                 
  reduction  between  requested   and  provided  funding,  the                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  department will have to  review the number of units  it will                 
  be able  to purchase and  still meet federal  data reporting                 
  requirements.  Actual purchase will probably be considerably                 
  less than 125.                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger voiced support for Dept. of Health and Social                 
  Services  computer  requests, stating  his  belief  that the                 
  department has been  "under computerized"  for a long  time.                 
  Support is further bolstered by the fact that the state will                 
  only pay one-quarter of the cost.                                            
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                              
                                                                               
  CHRIS  GATES, Director,  Division  of Economic  Development,                 
  Dept.  of  Commerce  and Economic  Development,  came before                 
  committee to speak to the department's $1.8 million request.                 
  He explained that $500.0 relates to continuation of  the 13-                 
  year  history   of  providing  small   economic  development                 
  matching grants (up  to $100.0) for municipalities  and non-                 
  profits.  The  department has been able to generate a 3 to 1                 
  match  on available dollars.   Co-chair Pearce  asked if the                 
  department undertakes an entirely new selection process each                 
  year.  Mr. Gates  said that the program operates on  a first                 
  come, first served basis.   Operating changes for the coming                 
  year will request projects  three times a year  and evaluate                 
  them  against one another to determine  the highest and best                 
  use of limited moneys.                                                       
                                                                               
  The second increment consists of  a $253.0 request for small                 
  business  development centers.   These moneys  match federal                 
  SBA moneys on a one-to-one basis and allow the department to                 
  offer basic  private sector business  consulting to Alaskans                 
  in both rural and urban areas.  This service was provided to                 
  over 4,300 clients, and 191  training programs were offered.                 
  Discussion followed  regarding referral of  individuals with                 
  tax problems to proper assistance.                                           
                                                                               
  In the  course of  further discussion,  Mr. Gates  explained                 
  that  the  $253.0  in  federal  funding  flows  through  the                 
  University  small business  development center.   The  small                 
  business  development  center program  is  an SBA  sponsored                 
  activity through universities  in all fifty states.   Alaska                 
  makes extensive use of the program.                                          
                                                                               
  The  $183.0 increment  funds assistance  and counseling  for                 
  federal contracts  in Alaska.   It  is called a  procurement                 
  technical  assistance  program.   It  is  also  administered                 
  through the University of Alaska, small business development                 
  center.    Funding  is  a  one-to-one  match  with  the U.S.                 
  Department of Defense.   The program provides  assistance in                 
  dealing with  federal  regulations and  getting through  the                 
  maze  of paperwork  involved in  bidding federal  contracts.                 
  This year the  program counseled  787 clients in  government                 
  contracting,  including state  contracting.    As a  result,                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  clients  were  awarded  over   $57  million  in   government                 
  contracts.  Those  awards would not  have been made but  for                 
  the direct assistance provided by the program.                               
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce voiced  her understanding  that, under  the                 
  proposed budget,  there would  be no  "buy Alaska"  program.                 
  Mr. Gates concurred.   The Co-chair inquired  concerning the                 
  philosophy behind  elimination of that program but inclusion                 
  of the small  business development  centers.  NANCY  SLAGLE,                 
  Director of Budget Review, Office  of Management and Budget,                 
  voiced her  understanding the "buy  Alaska" program involved                 
  purely general funds while a  match was available for  small                 
  business development.  Mr. Gates added that while there  was                 
  no government  match for  "buy Alaska"  funds, state  moneys                 
  were matched with  private moneys and in-kind  services from                 
  the  Anchorage  Chamber and  Anchorage  Economic Development                 
  Corporation.   Co-chair Frank  said he  recalled Legislative                 
  Budget and Audit Committee discussion of efforts to move the                 
  "buy Alaska" program  entirely into the private sector.  Mr.                 
  Gates advised that  he had no knowledge  of such discussion.                 
  He  acknowledged that, due  to lack of  funding, the program                 
  would end.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Co-chair Pearce asked about department ability to charge for                 
  small business assistance.   She also  asked that Mr.  Gates                 
  review program records  to determine  how often the  program                 
  serves the same client.                                                      
                                                                               
  Senator  Sharp inquired  concerning the  number  of business                 
  undertakings that proved to be viable.   Mr. Gates agreed to                 
  provide the information.                                                     
                                                                               
  Discussion of the $250.0 request for the Arctic Winter Games                 
  followed.  Senator Kelly noted funding  of the games in last                 
  year's budget as well,  and he further noted that  the games                 
  would  not  be  held  until  next  year.    Co-chair  Pearce                 
  reference  correspondence  in  support  from  Senator  Randy                 
  Phillips.                                                                    
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                              
                                                                               
  JEFF HARTMAN, Assistant Director, Support Services, Dept. of                 
  Natural Resources, came before  committee together with  RON                 
  SWANSON,  Director, Division of  Lands, and  JIM McALLISTER,                 
  Regional Forester.   Mr.  Hartman directed  attention to  13                 
  projects  and noted that they break  down as follows:  4 for                 
  land,  4 for  forestry and  fire,  3 for  parks, 1  for land                 
  record  information  services,  and  1  for  geological  and                 
  geophysical services.   The first seeks $45.0  for pollution                 
  assessment at  the Isabel  Pass pipeline construction  camp.                 
  Co-chair  Frank   asked   if  the   responsible  party   was                 
  accessible.    Mr.  Hartman  responded  that  the  owner  is                 
  Alyeska.    The department  would  use requested  funding to                 
  assess the extent  of contamination, determine what  must be                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  done, and require the responsible  party to conduct cleanup.                 
  The track record  on use of the site is cloudy.  Mr. Swanson                 
  clarified that Alyeska is the responsible party.   While the                 
  lease  had often  been  subassigned, Alyeska  has maintained                 
  responsibility for the site.                                                 
                                                                               
  Senator Kelly asked  why DNR was undertaking  the assessment                 
  rather than DEC.  Mr. Swanson said that DNR would  work with                 
  DEC.  DNR is  the state landowner.  Co-chair  Frank asked if                 
  the property remains under lease,  and Mr. Swanson responded                 
  negatively.     Mr.  Swanson  further   explained  that  the                 
  department has  been  told, by  workers  at the  site,  that                 
  materials were buried.                                                       
                                                                               
  In response to a question  from Co-chair Pearce, Mr. Swanson                 
  said  that,  under current  lease  provisions, certification                 
  that the site is clean must  be provided prior to conclusion                 
  of the lease.   The department is now contending  with older                 
  leases,  such  as Isabel  Pass,  that did  not  contain that                 
  requirement.   Co-chair Pearce suggested that the department                 
  should be able to demand that Alyeska clean the site without                 
  need for a $45.0 assessment.  She then asked that additional                 
  information concerning the request be provided.                              
                                                                               
  Mr.  Hartman explained  that  the $500.0  for  multi-mission                 
  village work crews relates to a  program to use trained fire                 
  fighting crews, on  a contract basis with  federal agencies,                 
  to conduct  controlled burning  and reduce  the chance of  a                 
  major  fire.    The  project  will also  provide  meaningful                 
  training for rural  fire fighting  crews.  Federal  agencies                 
  have agreed to fund up to 300  days of work.  The plan is to                 
  use ten,  sixteen-person crews for  up to 21  days rotation.                 
  Funding is federal.  In response to a  question from Senator                 
  Kelly,  Mr.  McAllister said  that  the state  does  not use                 
  convict labor for fire fighting.  Mr. Hartman  stressed need                 
  for  extensive training of fire fighters but advised that he                 
  would look into use of convicts for part of the effort.                      
                                                                               
  The $650.0 general fund request for land acquisition relates                 
  to the remaining  17-million acre selection to  complete the                 
  105-million acre  state entitlement.   Some  of these  lands                 
  have  also  been  selected  by  Native  corporations.    The                 
  proposed project will resolve double selections and make the                 
  best choice in selection of the final 17 million acres.  Mr.                 
  Swanson further  explained that  the $650.0  would fund  two                 
  efforts.    The first  is  GIS  related  and  would  cleanup                 
  selection data  in order to  make a final  prioritization of                 
  the  17 million acres.   The second  component involves work                 
  with  the  federal  government  and native  corporations  to                 
  reduce the  17 million acres  of dual selections.   Co-chair                 
  Pearce asked  for a breakdown  of expenditure of  the $650.0                 
  versus the  original request  to the  Governor.   Department                 
  staff provided  revised backup information  for copying  and                 
  distribution to members.                                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
  The request  for $450.0 in  general funds for  mental health                 
  land  reconstitution  reflects  an ongoing  program.    This                 
  particular  portion  involves  notation   of  status  plats.                 
  Funding  will be  divided between  the division of  land and                 
  LRIS  to  identify   conveyable  original  trust   land  and                 
  replacement land, record needed documentation, and enter the                 
  information  into state  status graphic  records.   Co-chair                 
  Pearce requested  a breakout.   Mr. Swanson  added that  the                 
  proposed project is  based upon pending mental  health trust                 
  legislation rather than continued implementation of Ch.  66.                 
  Co-chair  Pearce   asked  if  the  capital   budget  request                 
  represents the fiscal note for SB 67.  Mr. Hartman explained                 
  that   capital   funds  relate   to  notation   of  records.                 
  Additional moneys will  be needed  for management of  lands.                 
  That will be shown on the fiscal note.                                       
                                                                               
  The  $50.0 in general funds for fire equipment would replace                 
  old chain saws  and fire pumps  that are no longer  safe and                 
  reliable.   Funding  would purchase  50 chain  saws at  $360                 
  each, and 14 fire pumps at $2,300 each.                                      
                                                                               
  The next $50.0 request  would fund emergency repairs at  the                 
  Wickersham House to  replace the leaking roof,  gutters, and                 
  trim.    The  state  spent  $300.0  on  renovations  to  the                 
  building, last year.  Estimates for roofing costs  are based                 
  on experience from recent renovations.                                       
                                                                               
  The $250.0 for the land status geographic information system                 
  funds year four of  a five-year project to change  this data                 
  base   from   manual  to   digital   format.     Alaska  has                 
  approximately 8,000 townships and 17,000  maps.  The project                 
  has already digitized 4,330 townships.  In the remaining two                 
  years, the project will  be completed.  Once  information is                 
  digitized, it  will be  available to  resource managers  and                 
  make  mapping  projects easier  and  more useful.   Co-chair                 
  Pearce  noted that the original  request was cut from $575.0                 
  to $250.0.   Mr. Hartman advised  of a $217.0 carryover  and                 
  total  availability of $525.0  for the year.   Two positions                 
  have been  eliminated, but  the department  believes it  can                 
  complete the project in two years.                                           
                                                                               
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  The $225.0 general  fund request for the  geological mineral                 
  inventory relates to airborne aeromagnetic investigation  of                 
  promising  mineral deposits.   This work  has, in  the past,                 
  been done in  conjunction with Native  corporations.    That                 
  approach will be taken this year.  Work is to be done in the                 
  Circle  and  Bonnifield  districts.    When   complete,  the                 
  inventory   will  provide   files   of   likely  sites   for                 
  development.  Most of the cost is for helicopter time.                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  The $300.0 general fund request for the forest practices act                 
  will fund seven projects and  public hearings.  The contract                 
  will be with the University  of Alaska, Fairbanks, institute                 
  of northern  forestry.   It  will assess  protection of  the                 
  environment, reforestation, etc.   Co-chair Pearce said that                 
  not much  has happened since passage  of the act.   She then                 
  asked what the department intends to study.   Jim McAllister                 
  explained  that  the  forest  practices  act  was  primarily                 
  designed to address  timber harvests on private lands.   The                 
  proposed  project  will  assess   water  quality  protection                 
  measures in the act and associated regulations.                              
                                                                               
  In response to questions from Co-chair Frank, Mr. McAllister                 
  acknowledged that most harvest has occurred in coastal areas                 
  of  Southeast,  Prince  William  Sound,  and on  the  Kenai.                 
  Requirement for  the assessment  was built  into the  forest                 
  practices act.                                                               
                                                                               
  Discussion followed  regarding contracting  of services  and                 
  involvement  of  the University.    Senator Kerttula  voiced                 
  concern over putting more moneys into studies than the state                 
  receives for the trees.                                                      
                                                                               
  Co-chair Frank asked why funding  for the geological mineral                 
  inventory was cut from $1.5 million  to $225.0 while funding                 
  for research under the forest practices act was only reduced                 
  from  $350.0  to   $300.0.    Mr.  Hartman   explained  that                 
  forecasted sales for  timber, $12  million, are the  largest                 
  the state has experienced.                                                   
                                                                               
  The  $100.0  in  general  funds   for  the  forest  resource                 
  inventory would  provide for phase  II of the  Tanana Valley                 
  inventory.    Discussion  of  need  for  computers  followed                 
  between Mr. Hartman and Senator Kelly.  Co-chair Frank noted                 
  reduction  from  $700.0   to  $100.0  and  asked   what  the                 
  department  intended  to  do  for  $100.0.   Mr.  McAllister                 
  explained that it  would continue inventory of  hardwoods in                 
  the Tanana Valley.                                                           
                                                                               
  Discussion followed concerning beetle outbreaks.                             
                                                                               
  The   $640.0   in  federal   funds  for   national  historic                 
  preservation will be used to acquire, stabilize, and restore                 
  properties  listed  in  the  national  register of  historic                 
  places.  Sites  are selected  by the nine-member  historical                 
  commission.  Mr. Hartman advised of a 60/40 match.  Co-chair                 
  Pearce  noted  that no  state  funds  are indicated.    FRED                 
  FISHER,  Fiscal  Analyst,   Legislative  Finance   Division,                 
  advised that  grantees provide the match.   Mr. Hartman said                 
  he would provide additional information.                                     
                                                                               
  Discussion followed  regarding ownership  of the  historical                 
  sites.  Co-chair  Pearce asked that department  staff double                 
  check the source of matching moneys.                                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
  The $500.0 in federal funds  for land and water conservation                 
  grants  reflects  a  50/50   match  for  recreational  water                 
  projects.  Co-chair Pearce asked  for further explanation of                 
  the  source  of  matching  funds.   Senator  Kelly  inquired                 
  concerning the 12%  surcharge.   Mr. Hartman explained  that                 
  the  12%  represents indirect  costs  for management  of the                 
  program.                                                                     
                                                                               
  The  $400.0  in  general  funds  for RS2477  assertions  and                 
  mapping represents the  second year  of a two-year  project.                 
  The  department has  identified approximately  1,500 trails,                 
  access  rights-of-way, etc.   There is  disagreement between                 
  federal agencies and the state  concerning width and whether                 
  or not  they satisfy statute  2477.  Requested  funding will                 
  prepare  cases  for  litigation  to  resolve  these  issues.                 
  Access  to  the patchwork  of  state ownership  is extremely                 
  important  for  development.    Senator  Kelly  voiced   his                 
  understanding that  this would  be the  last year the  state                 
  will  have  to  fund  2477  projects  and  associated  staff                 
  positions.    Mr.  Swanson concurred.    He  noted, however,                 
  potential litigation costs in the future.                                    
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce  advised  that  review  of SB  363  capital                 
  projects would continue at a subsequent meeting.                             
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting was adjourned at approximately 8:40 p.m.                         
                                                                               

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